Oh, and, SPOILER ALERT!
Having to be so close with Jared in the show, how did you transition in that “business only” relationship with him, you separated as brothers for a bit. How did you pull that off?
The story kind of dictates a lot how we play certain things. We’ve been playing these characters for a long time. We’re very comfortable with adapting the character to the situation. This just happened to be a situation that we were dealt. The fact that Sam said some things that Dean was surprised he’d say, just gotta let him process that and figure out what that does to the relationship and then you obviously saw that because the writing pointed it out. But oddly enough, doing a scene where it’s strictly business and we’re not paling around like brothers as in a previous season as soon as they yell ‘cut’ we’re exactly the same than either one of those certain story lines. So the working environment doesn’t change, the working relationship doesn’t change, it’s just when they yell ‘action’ the way the characters related to each other, that’s your piece.
Back in season three, Dean was heading towards being a demon, possibly going to Hell. As an actor, were you thinking about how you might play that? Did you think it might happen and does it differ from what you’re doing now with the character?
I didn’t really give a lot of thought as to how I would play it back then because I knew that I wasn’t going to have to. You play it right up to the point that you need to and then you sit back and wait for the scripts to come in and be a fan myself. The fact that they didn’t take him down that road I never had to invest in how I was going to do that per se. That being said, this particular version of Dean that we start with in season ten is, and I said this at the panel, it’s not that Dean is possessed by a demon it is that his own soul is actually twisted enough to where it’s become demonic. I basically took what Dean was doing last season, which was really kind of tortured and brooding…it was a tough season for ole Dean last year. He was going through a lot. The fact that he betrayed his brother, the fact that he feels like he lost his brother as a brother, and that he didn’t have that motivating force of protecting Sammy like he always had and he was on a crash collision course.
I wanted to take all that away, all the weight of the world, all the heavy heart, the guilt, just all of that stuff, remove all that because Demon Dean does not care. So that’s where I went with this character is that he is Dean without a care in the world. It’s not comedic, it’s almost scary. I think that he cares so little for anybody and everybody and he loves it. I think that’s scary.
Is it weird to reinvent that like this after doing it for so long?
Very. Very weird. I don’t know if you saw the little sizzle reel they did in the panel but just Jeremy and I talked and he’s like, ‘Maybe you do your hair a little different’ and I’m like ‘alright.’ So they cut it quite short so it gives me somewhere to go like when I get back to regular Dean I can shed that portion of that facade. Yeah it was, to answer you question, it was really difficult. It was also difficult because I was introducing the character and also directing that episode. They shot my episode first so that I could prep without working blah, blah, blah, technical stuff.
So, I had to really, really prep. I mean, it kept me up nights for eight days. I got it to a point where I knew that I could set it to auto pilot once I got to the set so far as the directing because I’d homework it so much, and that way I could focus on bringing this new character to life which was nerve wracking. Am I making sure I’ve got the coverage I need for Jared’s side of the stuff, oh wait, I need to be focusing on the lines that I’m about to deliver because I’m not doing it like regular Dean which I could just snap into, I’ve got to think about this whole other mindset.
And dual role.
Absolutely. It was a tough challenge and I like to challenge myself and that’s where I get the gratification.
I am liking what I hear about Demon Dean. He's going to be ruthless, viscous, uncaring, scary…. as he should be. He needs to be a real threat, otherwise Sam and Cas have nothing to fight for. This part of the story is shaping up nicely. Hopefully there will be something equally good for Sam. He's gotten the short end of the stick for so long now that I am not sure they even know how to do anything with his character but have him drive the other characters, but we'll see.
We are still there keeping the flag up Alice! On my behalf I loved that you wrote the transcript of the video so I read it rather than watching it. I guess we got a lot of the fast phased interviews from the con and we got those a lot. I actually visit the site every day watching what articles are up. Haven't commented that much for reasons that I won't dwell here but trust us. There is a secret cult group on your site and we are talking a lot about the show, writers, characters, quotes, canon. Pasting videos, pictures, links. Talking about spoilers excitedly and everything we like and dislike so it won't overwhelm us.
You are doing amazing work and I know it is hard. We really wait articles from you and the other writers and talk about them. Just wanting you to know we are there I suppose. I love all of Supernatural. I maybe like Dean little bit more than Sam but Sam I adore too.
PS: I read all you posted. Just wanted you to know that. The noise and such in the background makes it hard to understand so that is why I read the text that I wouldn't miss anything. :)
I want to thank the other reviewers for their contributions also, you all have a gift and I am glad you let us see a little of it here.
I am sorry that sometimes we don't appreciate what you do and that we are negative sometimes, I think it is due to various reasons and way too many to put here, but please know that there are those of us who are very positive about SPN and S10 and are excited that we still have our show to look forward too.
Come on S10!
Now I can't even get comments on a Jensen interview! You know that my Jensen interview from two years ago has over 100,000 hits on YouTube? The point is, we used to be the go to site for Comic Con and other information. Now we're an afterthought. I heard a lot of yesterday, "What, you posted an interview?" Yes, I've been promoting the link for four days! My Arrow and The Originals coverage is getting way more attention, so that's my focus.
I'm personally stepping away from the site for a while and putting my efforts into TV For The Rest of Us. I will write and publish my Deeper Look at Dean Winchester as promised and that's all I'm writing. We won't be going away though. We still have articles to post and Nightsky will be handling a lot of things. I'll still play system administrator. I'm giving this site about a month and if things don't turn around, it will be folded into TV For The Rest of Us. It's not a done deal yet, but that's what I'm leaning toward.
However, I do appreciate all of you that have stuck with us this long. It means the world and I'm grateful. I'm just afraid I've hit a breaking point.
Having only been involved in SPN fandom for about two years, I'm not sure if this if fixable. Is this fracture something new, has it always existed, has it simply gotten worse over time, is it the result of a show having been on the air for going on 10 years, or is it the broader problem of people wanting to only associate with like minded people?
In any event, looking forward to your upcoming deeper look at Dean Winchester article. I've got a couple of interesting (to me anyway) theories and curious to see if any of those are included in your article.
And as an aside I have seen the WFB complaints (to put it as nicely as I can) on other sites and the outright lies about this site are beyond ridiculous. These opinions are usually from extreme fans that just want to pick fights.
And njpsnfan is further correct that what happens here is positively tame and completely civil by comparison to what happens on dozens of other sites where the sentiment is mostly anti-Sam. I fear that if Alice grows despondent enough with the way she feels this site is functioning and decides to pull it, we Sam fans will have no place left to go; there simply is no other safe place for us to voice our concerns and discuss our favorite show where we can feel safe in showing our love for Sam and not be shamed and ridiculed for it. Can you imagine one of us Sam supporters trying to say something about Sam's story over on TVWOP? We'd be eviscerated in 30 seconds flat, labeled a hater and told to go away, and you could simply forget about having any kind of meaningful discussion about story and characterizatio ns even if you could get past the personal attacks. I am sorry if some think this site is excessively negative, but really by comparison to other sites, it isn't. It's critical and sometimes a bit passionate, but there's no name calling here, no character bashing (or little of it in general and what little comes up is quickly moderated) or post after post making up false facts to support an absurd argument and calling the people who disagree "stupid," a "hater" or claim that we are "ruining the fandom" or further claiming that some arguments have no merit because they are secretly "a shipper" of some sort and that negates everything they've said. This site is nothing like that and without being able to come here to discuss the show, I won't be able to discuss it at all, because I am not brave enough to weather the toxic atmosphere of some of the other comment sites and subject myself the the name calling and degradation that happens there.
I am sorry Alice if you feel that this site has changed and that you don't like those changes. Just like the show, the site probably can't be what it was in the early days; everything evolves. The show has changed and so has this site (although, I don't see evidence of what you were saying, to me WFB is the most recognizable and respected name in fan sites; even the actors know about it). I am sorry that you have lost your love for this wonderful site and hope that you find some way to renew your love for the show and for this site, as it continues to be (IMHO) the most respected, thorough, informative and civil place to discuss Supernatural.
I'm a both brothers fan and generally feel welcome. I've never felt any of the articles were remotely biased. If I was to make one suggestion? Don't keep "score". If someone makes a positive or negative comment about one of the characters, don't jump in with a "balancing" comment JUST for the sake of making sure that equal commentary is made. If it's a natural comment consistent with the topic, fabulous. But if your instinct is to provide a defending our "counter", think twice?
As for the volume of comments on each of the SPN Comic-Con topics (which might somewhat be involved in the topic)...Every year the comic-con coverage expands. So the videos for Winchester Bros are exact duplicates of two or three other website based solely on the nature of the round-table discussion. It used to be sites would write up the interviews but now everyone just posts the interview itself. WFB is the only site I've seen which actually has done a transcribing. Which is AWESOME BTW. I know that on my binge-viewing of Comic-Con coverage I came to WFB first because of Alice's tweets. But with the data coming out fast and furious, getting the basic information (the video) is much easier than it used to be.
So what makes WFB different? The comments. Most of those other sites don't have a consistent commenting group. So there's a bunch of people you've never "chatted" with before commenting on something. That's not as much fun as commenting with those you know.
Now I'm an infrequent visitor to WFB. I am from the dreaded TWOP (have been for years). I know I personally post pro-both-brothe r's comments all the time. I've only been in the fandom for a year! so I take no responsibility what-so-ever for the tone in the past. I moved, like a refugee, to PTV as that was where people I've been posting with on a variety of shows drifted to. But that is not the only place I post.
What I want as an avid SPN fan? A civil conversation discussing in depth the nuances of the show. I tend to agree with the producers of the show's opinion and some may feel I come across as an apologist. I guess I just appreciate at the end of the day they are a bunch of poor schmucks who love the show and do their best. I'm not big on conspiracy theories (like writer X hates character Y or some such business). So...that's what I want. Decent conversation. I don't mind criticism. Lord knows the show has EARNED it from time to time. But I don't spend this many hours a week on a show I don't love and respect. So... I want to hang with folks who love and respect the show (and provide critical feedback both positive and negative).
From what I've seen WFB does that. My limitations on commenting are usually tied to hours in the day....
At least for most I think people on this site still love this show. Not sure about all and I know people have their own opinions and are passionate. I am sure they are all people that I would like to talk face to face and they are awesome in the real world. So, next what I write is not an attack to anyone. I will just write from my point of view and why I am not that keen to comment. I do read the articles though. So don't shoot me. Just want to clear it. :)
Anyway, I am Supernatural "fan", a brothers "fan" if you call it. And there is a lot of talks that this is a Sam centered site and out there is different. So Sam fans know themselves how bad is it because they have experienced it too. By that regard we should together make it different on this site.
Mostly what has turned people off and me is this:
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- Comments appear that talk in negative/blamin g light about: Canon, writers, show runners, show, actors, characters, story in past/present and future always in very NEGATIVE light. This happens counted maybe in all that appear. And in season 10 spoilers, season that is not even out is already judged. This really doesn't make it eager to people to comment. For me and some others it doesn't.
- One point of view and all else is "wrong". Being a Sam fan is not wrong but Supernatural has so much more to talk about than Sam. Even I can agree on that some stuff on the show could have been better with Sam POV but dwelling on it can't be good for your mood and to others. If you feel bad maybe something positive can lift your spirits you know? Alice tried to put up happiness article and it worked. Even those that are mostly not liking things wrote positive stuff on it. I think that was really AWESOME. But same time I thought: is this the only article I can comment on here? Because I want to talk and comment in all. Interact with other people.
- Third, and this is what has happened: Defending Canon = You are wrong and silly fan girl defending Canon, writers, show runners, show, actors, characters, story in past/present and future because you don't have the same view as us. I wrote many times that maybe I am wrong and maybe you are. When people write a different opinion we have gotten those kinds of comments back. It is not direct one word but a tone of the whole comment.
I don't write English as my native tongue and I know I am not sometimes that smooth and might write something wrongly. And maybe my understanding also is not that good. But if the feeling I got is the three points above can you blame me to try remain exited where I can be?
Anyway, I know Alice wants to be exited about the show and most also in this site so shall we try to make it better together? And I really still want to say that above is my view, how I feel so sorry if it upset some. Can't change how I feel though but I am eager to work it. :)
I won't comment anymore on this subject. I always try to respond to anyone who replies to me out of respect.
I'm really hoping that Sam saves Dean and that the two of them don't just ignore what happened in S9. I feel like it's still an open wound, despite the moment of coming together at Dean's death. And for the record regard the conflict: it just IS. It's a tough relationship with so much complexity. Last year I wanted to put them in a room in a single "get along" T-shirt with icecream, chocolate chip cookies, and 4 seasons of Game of Throne + all of Dr Who. I love them both so much.
I was very interested in the sizzle clip where DemonDean indicated that he "knew what Sam had done" to find him and then asked him who the real monster was. I wonder if what Sam did will be a big secret for a while and if whatever he did will come back to haunt him later on in the season. I also wonder if regular Dean's views on what Sam did will be different than DemonDean's views. As much as I don't want Sam to compromise his values, I find this plot point intriguing. What exactly did Sam do? How will Dean feel about it when he finds out? Will he see it as a sacrifice or as a betrayal? Maybe what ever it is will cause the brothers to FINALLY talk.
So, Sam and Dean meet up in episode three. That means Dean's been running amuck for the two episodes prior. Will he get away from Sam in episode three and continue his DemonDean ways for a while longer or will he end up in the MoL dungeon with the Demon cuffs holding him? Will those Demon cuffs even work seeing as how Dean's not a regular demon but a MoC demon? My best guess is that Sam will have to use the demon curing method on Dean at some point. That should be all kinds of awesome, so I really hope it happens. Imagine Dean, chained to a chair with Sam in the room and nothing for them to do for a whole episode but TALK to one another.
One of the keys for this to be pull off right, IMO, is that we get a true sense of time passage. That we see Sam has exhausted his normal resources. I hope they have some level of "show" on that. If Sam can't come up with something in two months then that is pretty significant. There's no one better prepared to figure out a solution than he is. So, I am hoping that the weight of the passage of time is evident to help us understand what it is that Sam does.
Dean made a really iffy-at-best call to aid Gadreel's possession of Sam. But they showed us many mitigating factors:
- Dean thought Gadreel was a good guy. Cas had vouched for him. He certainly acted like he was on the level. Dean's was also very emotional at this moment. Spotting him as false representation would not have been easy and was also unprecedented for Angels before.
- Time had run out. Sam had flat-lined. Gadreel was literally leaving the room to let Dean be alone with Sam while he died. Dean was now down to seconds, not even minutes.
- When seeing inside Sam's head, he sees Sam is arranging with Death to be un-returnable. So any hope Dean had of performing some post-death resurrection (which by now they've pulled off enough times that it's a real consideration) -- any hope is gone. Because Death is a BadAss and if he says it's permanent, Dean believes him.
- Dean makes a decision to get the "yes" from Sam in that moment. But it didn't occur to him that he'd have to keep it a secret at that moment. That confrontation/d ecision was AFTER the crisis was passed.
- The lying after the "heat of the moment" decision is IMO at least as big of a problem as the actual possession. But again, there's some sympathy there for Dean's controversial decision. Because NO ONE wants Sam to actually be dead. Gadreel had a reasonable argument. But I know I personally came away with "this can only end in tears."
So. I'm betting the show can pull off at least SOME logic that gets us to understand Sam doing something we are uncomfortable with but can understand. IMO it's better to show it to the audience, have us angst about it at length and generate some buzz.